Why don't you publish YOUR version of Plato's work - rewrite T & C so it is literal. Related to their work, is the result of recent excavations at Ashkelon, an important Philistine city, which suggests that the city had received migrants from southern Europe during the Bronze Age, who may have constituted a component of the Sea Peoples(ah). August 2020 January 2014 etc. OStrange May 2015 : For nearly a century in the second millennium B.C., a mysterious band of maritime warriors known as the “Sea Peoples” wreaked havoc on the Mediterranean. The Sea Peoples mentioned are the Shardana, Lukka, and Shekeleshu (Sicily?). Constructivism. And now I am writing and writing and writing everything what is needed to present an appropriate proposal for a real place for Atlantis. So let me see if I get this straight - And please do not confuse an eikos mythos with "myth". Plato wanted to put to the test the existence and immortality of the soul, as taught by his beloved master, Socrates. This does not help us so much. Erick Wright, a regular contributor to Atlantis Rising forums, has now concluded(b) that Atlantis was located in modern southern Turkey and that Atlanteans were among the Sea Peoples who attacked Egypt in 1200 BC. There's more about me in the About Jason tab. This is not an academic approach, you are following, this is a kindergarten approach. Something is clearly wrong with his theory. //In a separate paper he suggests that “the chaos and destructions wrought by the Sea Peoples may have created a power vacuum which allowed the Israelites to take over the land of  Canaan.” <. The phrase ‘Sea Peoples’ was never used in any ancient accounts. You don't know what you are talking about. The concept of the identification of Atlantis with the island of Sardinia is the idea that the Italians were involved in the Sea Peoples movement (a similar story to Plato's account), that the name "Atlas" may have been derived from "Italos" via the Middle Egyptian language, and Plato's descriptions of the island and the city of Atlantis share several traits with Sardinia and its Bronze Age culture. September 2019 The capital city of Atlantis (home of the North Sea people) lay on an island, in the estuary of great rivers. Sorry, your conclusions are logical fallacies. It is also why generations of believers just talk about the meaning of the words and stay away from archaeology. Instead small roving bands were a symptom of the collapse, not the cause, and they were blown out of proportion by Egyptian propagandists working for Ramasses III.” (ai). The earliest book devoted to the Sea Peoples, that I am aware of, was Immanuel Velikovsky’s Peoples of the Sea[758]. NO. June 2017 However, Velikovsky was more concerned with revising the chronologies of the Middle East and so focused on dating the invasion of the Sea Peoples rather than identifying their origins. As it is with every other ancient text. Enter your email below to subscribe to my newsletter. May 2019 Don't forget that thanks to SKYPE, they can set up a "live" interview with you - not as sexy as a studio but gives a sense of immediacy and broadcast journalism to the piece. April 2010 They were repelled by the Egyptians and then moved on to the Levant where they later became known as the Philistines. God ! What I mean is that it would be the greatest if we knew if it was true or not, and just where and when our Atlantis lies. NO. August 2017 XVII, 2nd part, Munich 1886, pp. such as Tertullian, who calls Meropis a fable, and at the same time he takes Atlantis as real story. 0 seconds of real effort versus decades of gibberish? December 2018 I can never remember the name of the guy that said this one, not when I need to, anyways. According to Raffaele D’Amato & Andrea Salimbeti [1152.20], the Denyen were one of the major groups of the Sea Peoples and have been known in ancient sources by different names; Danai, Danaoi, Danaus, Danaids, Dene, Danaids, Danuna. Another site(an) also describes the various ships of the period used by the Egyptians, Greeks and the Sea Peoples. July 2019 June 2013 The same idea is expanded on by Lu Paradise in an extensive article(v). As noted earlier: Endless mental masturbation over Atlantis your response is an excellent example of this. Next publication will cover the topic of Platonic myths. I can see that to your mind I should have said '"a story about a story about a story" is exactly the same as "a story"'. Historical-critical. Incidentally, several ancient Mediterranean civilizations, … Apparently, since no one has really provided the necessary proof of Plato's Atlantis, a proof to satisfy both the cons and pros, the experiment to prove the immortality of the soul is still left incomplete, like the story of Atlantis. Meropis is not referring to Plato's Atlantis. Was that the definite end of a longer climate change, that started earlier and forced people to move from areas now stricken by drought? NO. I'm an author and editor who has published on a range of topics, including archaeology, science, and horror fiction. June 2010 NO. The North Sea peoples (Atlanteans) were notable seafarers with a fleet of 1200 war ships. This can be easily resolved by your FINDING Atlantis. Dear Hanslue, NO. 11000 years old. September 2016 Of course, this is wrong. Historical-critical. Historical-critical. Every production is different. However with no Atlantis the fringe magical thinking people would have just fixated on something else. He glorified his victories in Gaul, and omitted what was not so pleasant. "[T]he effort to make Atlantis real dies hard.". "To conclude from the invention of the dialogues on the invention of Atlantis is no valid conclusion." @Hanslune: Hi Jason - November 2011 All NO. Which was not (!) Historical-critical. November 2012 You are using this term incorrectly when you associated it with mental activities on my part. March 2011 Your comment will be posted after it is approved. All other civilizations have left massive archaeological footprints. December 2020 The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair, Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar, Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx", The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf. Yet you dismiss him - amusing isn't it? Eckart Kahlhofer has recently suggested that even earlier, J. F. Champollion (1790 –1832) employed an equivalent term gens navales to describe the occupants of the invading swan-necked boats. Forer belief is equal to yours - a belief based on well just belief. Historical-critical. The phrase ‘Sea Peoples’ was never used in any ancient accounts. Historical-critical. We have to be precise, here. August 2019 Yet you can find no evidence beyond words to support it but to keep the possibility alive you will keep talking and avoiding the elephant in the room. See more ideas about ancient, ancient civilizations, sea peoples. July 2017 Zach Zorich is a freelance journalist and contributing editor at Archaeology magazine. - why the hell couldn't the Critias have been lost as well? Based on the paper presented by Sanford Holst at Al Akhawayn University in Ifrane, Morocco on June 28, 2005. So stop gibbering and tell me how well you know Plato? Marxism. Atlantis @Hanslune: Franke you get so testy when you get shown you are wrong. NO. And I have found. January 2019 In other words you believe something and it must be true. lol March 2017 I will do a little more digging, before I make any further comment on this 'artiste'. Latest . You: "Sigh ... why do you always flee into word-mongering in the end?" You did the before Franke once people don't want to talk about the theoretical meaning of words and your interpretation of Plato and start to question you on the real evidence. "Not that different" is trying to be gentle. Paul Schliemann spoke of a papyrus from the Pharaoh Senedi of the 2nd Dynasty, mentioning an expedition sent to the west to seek for survivors of Atlantis. Well, you can't present the true historical facts without complete artistic freedom. If we had any reason to suppose that an Island of Atlantis existed then we wouldn't have any evidence that the so called Sea peoples didn't come from there. He then identified these Scandinavians as Atlanteans who later attacked Egypt. NO. They left no impression on the environment either. Historical-critical. NO. Actually it was meant as a general reply to the subject and to the nature of the discussions of the thread, and not as an admonition on the stand you take on Atlantis. August 2014 I hate to tell you this but you are not a source of ultimate truth... There is some agreement that the Sea Peoples mounted two separate invasion attempts on Egypt around 1208 & 1176 BC (Facchetti & Negri). And any claim on Atlantis being real, and as given by Plato in all its details, is what the world wants before "knowledgeable" skeptics like Jason and many of you here will stop your own jabbering. Pretending you know what Plato meant is amusing. March 2013 Socrates and friends (disciples) and Plato in particular, have left proof buried in the past, which they only can provide, but only if their belief in the soul and reincarnation is true. This is too late … December 2017 NO. From studying the Meropis story and comparing it to the Atlantis story, there can be much learned about and from the differences. This long ago guy believed in Plato's Atlantis, so there!" Tony O'Connell, An A-Z Guide To The Search For Plato's Atlantis. With this, I'm not implying that you do not have grounds for wanting to be provided with the kind of proof the world is accustomed to expect. "Story" suffices. The inscriptions state that the Sea-People came from islands in the open sea when their land was destroyed. Well, at least they decided that you're not too ugly for television, and that your speaking voice is good enough not to drive lthe audience away. Historical-critical. Wilhelm von Christ (1831-1906) was a Classical scholar from the Duchy of Nassau, later part of the Kingdom of Prussia and the German Empire. @Americanegro: November 2018 Were the Atlanteans the “Sea People”. November 2016 September 2015 So it's your opinion that one story is real and the other isn't about it. June 2018 NO. It is funny how Atlantis skeptics desperately stick to their claim, although one argument after the other slips through their fingers. Concerning the "ability of ancient peoples to craft narratives" let me put forward the argument of Brandenstein and many other scholars that only centuries after Plato types of text were invented (mostly called "novel") which were not true, not announced to be not true, but every reader understood that they were not true. Then why should anyone believe it is real? Atlantis was a different vehicle to get at some of his favorite themes." The Trs.w were Sea People allies, who sailed from the defeat and final destruction of Atlantis back to Italy, where they rose to power as the Etruscans. @Hanslune: You will not find Atlantis in there: No imperial big island in the Atlantic, no nested rings of water, no bull cult ritual, no 10 kings, no Atlas, simply nothing. February 2017 Do you read Herodotus literally? 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